Joy o’ Kanji features fun, photo-filled essays to help you learn Joyo kanji, written by Eve Kushner, author of ‘Crazy for Kanji’ and ‘Kanji Curiosity.’. How To Learn the 2,+ Joyo Kanji in 97 Days Kanji is the third of the three pillars of the Japanese writing system (the other two being hiragana and. I already answered a similar question in another thread, so I will post it again here. The answer is quite long, however be sure to read through all of it, as it.

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Some years later, as a side effect of reading, I now know a nice percentage of Jouyou ianji. And it helps a lot for the publishing joy or writers to know what to add furigana to and what to leave alone.

Granted, I do have more kanji to go, and I have a habit of making studying harder on myself than most people do. But the most important thing to note is that the number of Kanji is irrelevant!

The vast majority of what’s used is in the joyo list, purely due to frequency. Still, point taken, my “issue” is rather pointless lanji the end, it’s one different consonant. Trying to limit the language tools of a population has never brought any good. Although I pretty much agree about its usefulness, you seem to have a lot of vitriol for something meant to be helpful.

I think its a handy and rather well structured list when u think about how vast and messy the giant pot of all kanji can be.

Table of Simplified Characters. The jouyou kanji list is the sum of all the characters taught in elementary school and junior high.

Actually, I just looked it up and I was wrong. I find this funny, being only 2 days after your post. Jouyou kanji is just how far schools are supposed to teach children kanji up until the end of middle school. Probably already been answered, but they are absolutely not obsolete.


Knowing Radicals can remove a joyi of the difficulty of leaning kanji.

2136 Jōyō Kanji by Grade

They’re even exposed to “obsolete” kanji in classical japanese classes. I think you do make some valid points. Joyo isn’t a strict definition of everything used in Japan, but neither is it “only for government documents” or whatever.

That considered, it is of no used to J-2nd language learners. I do stand in agreement with you that this is a practically useless way to learn kanji, and that many of them that I have learned through the book I have never seen in writing. Typographic symbols Japanese punctuation Knaji mark. I plug each one into my dictionary and put the most useful terms into a vocab list.

Jlyo have to pick the sentence with the word that uses the same kanji as the question. I learned kanji well, at least of them so far through the book by Henshall, which, yes, is based on the jouyou list. While the vast majority of the contents are going to be chosen by editors based on factors such as frequency and general usefulness, there will likely be some baffling omissions simply based on the fact that they can’t include every possible word.

Three years later, there was news as recently as last month of a tentative list to be released in February of Sometimes their pronunciation is great and you can understand no problem, sometimes their accent is so thick you have trouble.

Jōyō kanji

Submit kanii new text post. There are tons and tons of non-jouyous that are common. I did however read in some article that starting with this reform they will be revising kanji policies more often in reaction to the quick pace of change of kanji usage in the information age. Welcome to Reddit, the front page of the internet.

They definitely continue to learn more kanji. I sure hope not! As kkanji i have learned by kanji through reading books and the like and naturally picking them up at a pleasingly quick pace.

Kanji lists ordered by JLPT-level, Grade or Frequency of use –

Japanese punctuation Iteration mark. It’s hard to say exactly why kanni Kanji were kept off the list. None of these are jouyou kanji, but I’m pretty sure most natives could read and would know most if not all of these. Not only this it is most useful to foreign students and not to the Japanese because hoyo is the Axe Radical. So what if there are a small number of imperfections if the bulk of the work is sound?


Agreed, but these concepts seem somewhat basic. Joyo is a decent start to developing a working vocabulary of kanji, but it is FAR from comprehensive and should not be approached as if it were. Furigana To create furigana in your posts, use the following syntax: I think the indignation comes from how ridiculously bad the list is and the fact that it affects us all who are learning Japanese negatively to some degree.

There are uncountable examples, but, in short, no, Joyo does not represent kanni that is used. Even if you completely ignore it, it still affects the educational materials that end up in our laps. None of the questions ask you anything about a single Kanji in Heisig style.

Literary and colloquial readings. The new list is currently said to have removed joyi kanji and added new ones, bringing the new total from to characters. If anything, the digital age has probably brought far more Kanji into common usage since you really don’t have to know them by heart to write them anymore.

I should make up some index cards and memorize them one by one. I remember being discouraged and distracted by the joyo list as a student of Japanese. No one ever set any limits on novels and magazines and other publications if I recall correctly except maybe encouraging them to use furigana for hard kanji. But most of the common Non-Joyo Kanji you will simply learn through exposure.